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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri

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whilst in the political bubble in France

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all eyes are on the prize of the L down

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on the streets the citizenry are rioting

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race relations are plummeting poverty

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increasing islamophobia going through

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the roof last week's riots in Paris and

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Marseilles were sparked by the Sodom ing

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of a young black man with a police

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trunion a trunion the police said had

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accidentally done this dirtiest of Deeds

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our first guest is French Muslim and

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black so we better pay attention to what

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he says about the streets he is Dr

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Mustafa tror a midlands-based academic

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and commentator and we're glad to have

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him on the Sputnik Dr Mustafa we used to

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say if you think England's racist you've

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never lived in France is that fair as

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someone from France who's living in

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England yes I think that definitely I do

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agree with what you you're saying here I

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think that um I'm not saying that

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Britain is perfect I think that there

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are some issues but uh the good thing I

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like here is that uh we try to tackle

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the different issues about racism and

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and and and so on and uh in France it

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seems that uh racism is the norm and

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this is what the norm and and the state

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seeks to exacerbate it with its politics

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but before we turn to that let's deal

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with this extraordinary story that gatri

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referred to a police transion

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accidentally sodomizing a young black

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man under arrest causing riots across

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the country how can anyone take that

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police explanation seriously yes it is

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indeed and the thing is that I think the

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reason why people are rioting today is

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mainly because they've got the feeling

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that they've been told Lies by the

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police it's not the first case like

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something like seven months ago you had

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the case of Adama who was killed by the

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police and here again the police was

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telling lies it seems that police uh

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each time they do like what we call

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police errors they do

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the lies and on top of that they are

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protected and this is what I think uh

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the the injur yes this is what they are

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very disappointed with and um how

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widespread were the rights how serious

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it started in Paris and then not and now

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even in Marseilles you've got people

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rioting in Marseilles as well so I'm bit

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disappointed because seems that um uh

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information was not spread on the news

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very quickly it took time and because uh

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France is not RT by the way have

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broadcast that in Britain I haven't seen

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on any of the other channels it seems

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that the French are very strong when

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when it comes to hiding the truth or not

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uh spread spreading some news and uh so

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this is why why I'm here today just to

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to uh to explain what is going on in

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France in an election year uh where a

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very wide spectrum from the far left to

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the far right are all contending and

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there are actually four or five serious

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contenders for the presidency something

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that in Britain it's almost impossible

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to comprehend it's only one party or

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another and it's usually one uh and

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there's not usually much difference

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between the two but in France it it's

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very different um racial

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tensions religious tension

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and especially given France's role in

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the world and the world's role in France

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are bound to be swirling around and

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colliding with each other no yes the the

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the way I like to describe it is is that

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uh if you look at the Socialist Party in

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my opinion it was hijacked by the right

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and the racists so which means that now

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there's no much difference between what

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used to say the Prime Minister yeah

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under yes and what some sometimes what

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Mar Leen is saying okay so this is very

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problematic and it seems that very often

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ethnic minorities in France they used to

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vote for the Socialist Party thinking

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that they were more likely to protect

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them and uh but that was not the case uh

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if you look at Holland uh before uh

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being elected he was saying that he

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would give um the right to ethnic

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minorities to vote in local

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elections and once he was elected

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president he did not do anything about

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it uh same thing about the police people

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were asking uh to to take some measures

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so that in fact uh to reduce and try to

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uh establish kind of uh better

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relationship between the police and uh

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the people in the different carer or Bon

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and that was not uh he did not even

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tackle the issue so people are quite um

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Disturbed with with all that all this

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Socialist Party I'm talking about the

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Socialist Party because know because we

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they they hold the presidency and the

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government uh it seems that sometime it

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is more in the interest to

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maintain uh ethnic minorities in

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certain uh situation so that they uh

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they can make sure that um they're going

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to vote for them in the elections so

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we've got to think about this okay uh

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when they are in power they do not

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tackle the issues the

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problems and they just uh just maintain

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the situation and sometimes the

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situation is even um is even worse so

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that they they they they think that if

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they do so in the next election people

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are going to vote for them so well orand

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is now p and Q am Beno Ben is he any

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hope for the minorities I personally I

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think that buo is a good uh he's a good

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he's a good guy but I'm a bit skeptical

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the reason why I'm skeptical is because

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uh I I'm asking myself who is he going

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to uh uh to rule with who is going to

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work with uh if you look at the

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Socialist Party you've got

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seen you've got Christian toia all these

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people were part of the uh former

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government we'll come back uh to the

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party because I want to ask you a bigger

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question the French Empire pretend

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unlike the British pretended that its

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colonies were not colonies but part of

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France on the face of it that seems a

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less racist thing to do because you're

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saying these people are French but

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people like you have never really been

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welcomed or or felt French in Mainland

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France have you uh We've uh never been

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accepted uh they try to uh assimilate us

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what I think is and if you look at all

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the debates going on today uh in France

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with know with the Muslims it is because

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the French are trying to apply within uh

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the French territory uh what I call an

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ethnocide which means uh killing the uh

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the cultural

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particularity of those uh who are um who

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are not white okay like uh black people

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North Africans and so on so we've never

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been accepted and if you look at all the

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problems and the riots we've got today

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in the fren society and the different

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forms of racism we've got to go back to

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uh this part of History to uh the the

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French Colonial Empire what's the main

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uh axes now is it color or religion

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Muslim and black uh it seems to me that

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Muslim confrontation which is the most

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acute am I right yes it is it is now it

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is more formal phism based on uh values

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okay so what they want to get rid of is

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uh the the M Muslim values okay so this

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is why we've got all these debates uh

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within the F Society but we must not

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ignore that there is also a biological

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form of racism as well you know and uh

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for example for that guy who um who was

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raped uh there is one uh police officer

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he's I think part of the the police

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Trade union and he said on TV that it

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was acceptable to call um a black

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person is a very racist term in in the

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French language it is the equivalent in

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this English English language it is the

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equivalent of um

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of so this coming from uh the the police

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on TV and saying that that was normal or

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acceptable tells it tells us a lot it

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tells us that there is still biological

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form of racism even if the most

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important today is of course France uh

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takes a very belligerent attitude

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towards uh Islam in the name of militant

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secularism which is itself a religion

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militant secularism so that for example

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the ban on

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boras women being arrested on the beach

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for wearing too much rather than as in

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the 60s being arrested for wearing too

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little these kind of things are

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sharpening the confrontation or the

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conflict uh between most Muslims in

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France and the authorities and of course

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the wider Muslim uh um world yeah I

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think that's we it's very important for

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us uh to denounce what's going on in

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France and uh and maybe hopefully people

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are going to be uh more educated okay

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because what is missing in France is

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education I think uh France is

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responsible for what happened in 1945

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uh with the Holocaust okay and uh after

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that the French population was not

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educated we were not educated educated

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saying this is bad okay so this is why

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1947 okay and uh and that form of

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racism we see

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today I think if you want to uh if we

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analyze it and if we want to know how

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kit is uh so strong we've got to go back

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again to uh history well history will

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have to wait uh because we've run out of

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time but it's been a pleasure talking to

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you I must say about all matters French

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Dr Mustafa Tori coming up next filmmaker

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extraordinaire sha Marie don't miss

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it what welcome back to Sputnik I have

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maximum respect for our next guest he's

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made some of the best documentary films

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of recent years and I've even been in

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some of them he's currently making a

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film about among other things one of the

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worst atrocities of the long Irish War

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the massacre of the popular music group

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the Miami show band and he's the

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organizer of the respect Film Festival

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which will be launched next week in

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Belfast he's Shawn Murray and he joins

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us now welcome back to Sputnik Sean tell

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us about the respect Film Festival first

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of all which will be launched I think on

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we're screening a wide range of films uh

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that promote a wider understanding of uh

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human rights issues international human

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rights issues uh but with particular

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focus on the refugee crisis at the

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minute which looks at the obviously the

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wars in in Africa in the Middle East uh

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but also we we are hoping uh to promote

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a greater understanding of our own post

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conflicts so we have a number of

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documentaries that that look at that we

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have a number of events and workshops

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which bring uh across Community uh

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section of people across uh which which

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which look at the incidence within our

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own uh conflict in the past I think the

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concept that resy came from work that I

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had done for uh qft that's the

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independent cinema at Queens University

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uh I helped coordinate a a program which

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uh looked at conflicts around the world

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and uh addressed some of the issu and

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themes around you know modern day

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conflict cont soci and stuff like so

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people will be coming more from around

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the world to Belfast yes I mean once we

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had uh over 200 submissions for films I

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think the task was then to to organize

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uh venues for these we had ideas where

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the venues would be uh but most

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surprisingly was the reaction from a

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number of the filmmakers that that have

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submitted their films they're very

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excited to come to Belfast excellent uh

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I I strongly recommend it Belfast a

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great place to go how do people get

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tickets see what's on have you got a

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website yes we it's ww. resect film.com

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and tickets can be bought on that side I

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hope it does very well let me turn if I

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may to your next film um because you and

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I drove past the site of the Miami show

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band uh crime and when I came back uh

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talking to people about it even

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political people had either forgotten

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this atrocity or uh had never heard of

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it now just tell us how that crime took

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place and how it fitted into the big big

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picture of collusion between the state

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and uh loyalist Terror gangs well

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fortunately the the the documentary uh

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LS investigates uh the depth of

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collusion between the the British army

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the r the former uh police force in the

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north of Ireland and Loyalist part of

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militaries so what the film The the

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thesis behind the film is is that uh

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British military intelligence wanted a

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gloves off approach a doomsday scenario

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where they could enact a a a civil war

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if you'd like with the IRA uh and what

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we have evidenced during the film what

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we argue during the film is that they

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were responsible for over 120 civilian

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killings between 1972 and 1978 and the

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Miami sh band being uh one incident uh

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during that that period they were a

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popular band Catholic and Protestant

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popular on both sides uh of the border

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the the lead singer I think uh you

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explained to me uh appeared on top of

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the pops he was a handsome man and they

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shot him what 16 times in the face yeah

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a number of times in the face it

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uh he was known as as the the the

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handsome face of the face of of schans

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well the face of of AR shans in general

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and uh I think you know once once that

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that had happened it was like a sign you

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know to to to to show everyone on the

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what their what their intentions were it

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wasn't only to to murder these people uh

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but it was the Sant of saying that that

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that for for to have a Catholic and

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Protestant Bond at the time was wasn't

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uh wasn't good enough they didn't want

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that what they wanted was polarization

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uh division within society and to

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certain certain extent they were

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successful the people who were in The

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Gang that carried out that atrocity and

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these others they were of course in some

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cases serving so ERS and police officers

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that's correct uh they were members of

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the UDR the aler defense regiment which

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which was a part of the British army am

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I right that's correct yeah yeah uh we

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have evidence within uh our own F based

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on government uh documents which was

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supplied uh after a number of years

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research by both groups uh Dublin's

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Justice For The Forgotten and also the

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padan center it's no wonder that this

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kind of thing get swept under the carpet

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but it's part of a 1970s story that most

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people don't know uh the Clockwork

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Orange uh operation much of which

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originated in the Irish conflict which

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led to people you know bugging the

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British prime minister and putting fake

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money in a fake account of the Deputy

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Prime Minister and Generals talking

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about overthrowing the British

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government it was a very Marky time

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wasn't there on both sides of the sea

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that's it you've made a very important

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Point uh what we are doing in the film

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is focus focusing on a particular period

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January

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1976 where you had uh on the 4th of

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January you had six Catholics killed in

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the one night you had the the Rey

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Brothers Three Brothers killed in White

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Cross and County Arma and also three

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members of the odod family not far away

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in County D now the reaction to that

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killing was uh the what's know on as the

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Kings M uh Massacre uh was carried out

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the next night uh where 10 Protestant

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workmen were killed I to bring that into

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context uh what we are making a

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compelling case of in the film is that

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British Military Intelligence controlled

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certain sections of the glenan gang to

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carry out these to to up up the anav you

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would like to try to create this Civil

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War scenario so after the Kings Mill

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Massacre uh we had a situation where the

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Glennon gang and we have government

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papers uh which we will will show uh in

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the film that their next plan was to

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attack a Catholic primary school and

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kill all the Catholic Primary School

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kids in the school a horrific thought

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when we think about it now but we have

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uh an eyewitness who was involved in the

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Glon gang a former R man who will be

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speaking in the documentary about this

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really he can just speak really about

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that in your document that's correct I I

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I went to South Africa to interview uh

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this uh whistleblower if you like and he

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spoke candidly about the that period

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that he was involved in the Glen on

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going well you mentioned South Africa uh

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it's quite timus cuz I was going to make

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that comparison see you described

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earlier when talking about the respect

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Film Festival your postconflict

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Society but it isn't really postc

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conflict is it not in the way that you

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could say South Africa uh is because in

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South Africa there was this Truth and

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Reconciliation process in which uh all

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crimes had to be accounted for they were

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not punished or prosecuted but they had

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to be fessed up to and people had to to

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uh come to terms with them but that

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hasn't happened in the north of Ireland

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some of these people are still at large

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uh who committed these crimes crimes are

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not acknowledged not atoned for uh and

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so in a way don't we have a no war no

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peace situation in Ireland well it seems

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like that George I mean how I could

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explain it is that when the fog of War

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has died that the the new era that we

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live in is not manipulated anymore by

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mainstream television so we have

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competing narratives now we have a

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rebalancing of narratives if you like uh

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where films such as this can't tell that

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different story can say that this wasn't

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a grubby sectarian war that one of the

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major antagonists during the conflict

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was the British Army and this is and

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therefore the British State yeah that's

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that's correct the Army was not

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operating you know separately from the

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state it wasn't a rogue Army it was

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Britain that was doing this absolutely

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that's an extraordinary thing for

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British people to come to to terms with

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and you've spent now the last few years

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making wonderful documentaries on the

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the the the Bal morphe uh crime and so

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on and

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yet it somehow doesn't cross the sea how

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can we help that how can we get these

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things into wider British public opinion

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well George there seems to be an apathy

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within the the British public and that's

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not a criticism of the British public in

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general it's a criticism of well let me

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criticize that it's it's it's a

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criticism of uh the grip that uh

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mainstream uh TV has had on uh the

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viewers at Hansen if You' like uh it's

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it's very difficult to to Corner that

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market if You' like uh we have no

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problem uh with the films been shown in

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Australia and America because obviously

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of the the the large arish American

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Community but it always has even they

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still feel pets even they even they

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still even they still I mean I just I've

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just come back from a a tour of the east

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coast of America and we've also uh had

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an agreement that the film will have its

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uh us debut at Capitol Hill so there's

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not only within the American public

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within American politics there is a a an

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appetite if you'd like for for these

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stories yeah every President part from

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Trump has claimed to have Irish inh

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heritance no that's true that made

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chance even Obama which was the most

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unlikely claim of all um just finally

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then um

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120 mothers attributable to this one

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gang

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uh the Bal Murphy Massacre by the

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paratroops regiment the Bloody Sunday

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Massacre in Derry by the same regiment

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maybe even by the same soldiers in some

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uh cases how big's the charge sheet uh I

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mean we we see what's happened in

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relation to war crimes committed in Iraq

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first the media does a big offensive get

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rid of the lawyers that are raising it

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and so on uh and then shutdown uh

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investigation is there any hope for

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closure for justice for the victims of

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British crimes in that era in that part

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of Ireland well unfortunately if you

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look at the cases in the moo and Kenya

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What there was a a a particular strategy

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from the British establishment uh there

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and I'm afraid they're doing the same in

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Ireland is that they want the

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generations to go they want these

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stories to be told long after the

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victims and survivors have died so I'm

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afraid we're only scratching the surface

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George but hopefully we uh we will get

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somewhere and and this for for example

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this film should go some way to

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addressing or alleviating some of the

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pain that these families feel and it's

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called remind us un quiet Graves un

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quiet Graves look forward to that's out

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in September Sean Murray many

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[Music]

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thanks and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling gu so with

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the French presidential election just

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around the corner we've got left Center

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Right Far Right candidates white

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Spectrum but online they seem to all go

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for you know the Friends Jeremy Corbin

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Richard Wyatt sends us a picture of him

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in the Obama Style with the title espir

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well the thing is he cannot win alone uh

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there are other candidates of the left

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and he has to make a union of the left

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melan Shan Who is the candidate I like

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best he has at least 10% he's also in

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the race yeah he yeah and he he has at

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least 10% of the vote uh Hammon has

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about 20% in order to get to 30 and have

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a chance of being in the final ballot he

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has to make this he has to reach out to

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melanon and I I hope that he will that

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would then be worth it and would have a

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Fighting Chance well that's all the

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tweets we have for today which alas

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means that's the end of The Show by but

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you can stay in touch with us on social

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goodbye from me gatri and from me George

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Galloway it's been marvelous